The Nose: Who Won The VP Debate?

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The Nose: Who Won The VP Debate?


Several clashes were happening at once last night in the vice-presidential debate. There was the obvious one between Republican and Democrat, but there was a less obvious battle going on. Paul Ryan is part of a generational cohort that WILL run this country very soon. Joe Biden is the tail end of a group that included both Clintons, Mitt Romney and George W. Bush. Barack Obama is kind of a bridge between those two.

The 2016 election will be interesting in many ways, and this is one of them.

Biden and Hillary Clinton will be around 70. 
Over the last 50 years, Americans have preferred younger presidents, despite a blip with Presidents Reagan and the older Bush  in the 1980s. 
Last night, it was good to be the old guy. Joe Biden exuded and kind of "been there, done that" confidence. How will that play in four years? Hear a lively discussion of the Ryan-Biden debate on today's show.
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Hi, Rick! GREAT suggestion

Hi, Rick!

GREAT suggestion about tracking down past appearances! If you click on Elizabeth's name on the right-hand side, you can see at least a few of her recent shows with us. We are currently under-staffed in our internet department, but your idea makes a lot of sense, and I'll see if there's a way to re-work the site so it shows ALL the past appearances.

Thanks so much for listening and commenting!


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Love the shows. Thanks for all you do.

About the debate: The tables were turned since the last debates I felt Romney's smirk was much more restrained than Biden's facial gymnastics. The consistent smirk was a winning strategy while Biden's facial control left many viewers thinking he was "rude". Biden has always been Obama's guard dog, willing to bear his teeth and growl and the campaign must have given him the green light on barking at Ryan.

About archiving the shows,... I can rarely listen to the live show. I really like some of the commentators, especially Elizabeth Keifer. I would like to search the site for shows that a particular commentator participated in.
Suggestion: Please include a list of those that were on the show in the archive write-up so a search for commentators will work. Here is the archive write-up I am looking at right now...


I began to listen to the debate on the radio but gave up after a little while because it was too difficult for me to follow what was being said when they were cross talking.

While I agree it is more natural for people who are debating to do this, clarity is greatly diminished for an observer of the debate.


Speaking of nonverbal behavior, I wonder why no one seems to have noticed the behavior of both Ryan and Romney--the intense, unblinking stare at their opponent, with an expression not of listening or thinking but ready to jump in. In my experience, an intense stare at the talker is an aggressive and dominating posture (and related to primate hierarchical behavior!--the dominant ape stares while the submissive one looks down). I have encountered this in business situations when the attempt is to intimidate. To me, this is as noticeable as Biden's smiles.


I didn't hear all the debate, as I fell stunned for several minutes when
Paul Ryan trotted out some HumanizeRomney once-removed anecdote involving
a couple who were in a car crash, in which children were crippled.

In front of Joe Biden. Who lost his wife in a car crash.

I can only imagine the bloodlust of tut-tutting our Beltway Inbreds would
visit on any Democrat who tried to say something in front of John McCain
about "feeling imprisoned", let alone being prodded with bamboo spears.

Anyone else immediately think of Basil Fawlty "not mentioning the war" in
front of the Germans?